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Sticky: Q&A with Gabe Orthous on WebI usability
12 months ago  ::  Jun 26, 2012 - 6:16PM #31
Ingo Hilgefort
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Jun 26, 2012 -- 12:33PM, orthous wrote:

Jun 26, 2012 -- 9:24AM, creekp wrote:

We are new to Business Objects but a long standing SAP customer.  As part of our move to BW 7.3 we implemented BO 4.0 (dashboards, Crystal for enterprise and Analysis for OLAP).  We are hitting issues with some of the features of Crystal and Analysis for OLAP e.g. connecting to non SAP data / ad-hoc querying of data (it is currently not as good as Bex Analyser).  As a consequence we are starting to investigate the use of the semantic layer and webi as a replacement for analysis for OLAP reports.


As SAP BW will continue to be our main data source via a BICS connector, what are the watch-outs / downsides of using webi over SAP BW either via a BICS connector or via the semantic layer.  Also what impact does Feature Pack 3 have?  Again  we are starting to evaluate it and when we should implement this feature pack.  Any justifications I can get for moving to this later version would help a lot.


Many thanks.


creekp: I would definitely go with Feature Pack 3 for BI 4 (aka SP4).  There have been lots of improvements in this release which eases the issues with connecting WebI with Universes. For example: you can have a universe access SAP ERP in the form of InfoSets, SAP queries and ABAP functions. For additional information please refer to: bit.ly/GGcTGe [Thank you for your question - Gabe]


Hello creekp,


 


first I would like to clarify that Web Intelligence is not going to replace BEx Web Reporting or BEx Analyzer - that is where Analysis, edition for OLAP or edition for Microsoft Office come in.


 


In regards to the data connectivity the preferred option is to leverage the direct BICs connectivity without the Universe.


 


regards


Ingo Hilgefort, SAP

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 26, 2012 - 6:19PM #32
Ingo Hilgefort
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Jun 26, 2012 -- 12:33PM, orthous wrote:

Jun 26, 2012 -- 11:20AM, gianfrancofiorentini wrote:

Actually, when you create a Webi report on a datasource based on a BICS connection, all measures in report show #TOREFRESH before any data update, because a BICS connection sets any measure with "Database Delegated" as default setting.


Does the new Feature Pack improve or change this feature?


If not, is this improvement planned in the future?


 


Gianfrancofiorentini: Have you tried removing the Scope of Analysis in the Web Intelligence query?  If this does not work, then I think development is looking to solve this in future releases.  I don’t work for SAP so would not be able to tell you when.  Check this out à scn.sap.com/thread/1338289  [Thank you for your question - Gabe]


Hello,


 


this is not related to the scope of analysis, this is related to the fact that key figures are configured as database delegated.


With Feature Pack 03 all key figures that are configured as a SUM for the aggregation in SAP BW are also treated as a normal SUM in Web Intelligence


 


regards


Ingo Hilgefort, SAP

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 26, 2012 - 6:21PM #33
Ingo Hilgefort
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Jun 26, 2012 -- 12:34PM, orthous wrote:

Jun 26, 2012 -- 11:29AM, maricela_avila42 wrote:

Hi,


I'm working BO 4.0 and BI 7.3. I'm creating WebIs with Universes which are connected to BI's queries.


I want to use four obligatory key date variables in WebI because in the BI's query is set (current period and previous period) but the Universe accepts one obligatory key date only.


I need these key date variables are avaible to create WebI report. Coould you hel me with this issue?


Maricela: I saw your earlier blog post on this issue; unfortunately I do not know the answer to how consume multiple key dates.  I’ve only seen one used.  This seems to be tied to more universe designer functionality, i.e I don’t believe there is a solution on Webi.  I would recommend searching and then opening up the issue to the Business Objects Board community. www.forumtopics.com/busobj  [Thank you for your question - Gabe]


Hi,


 


key date variables are fully supported. You create the key date variable in the BEx query and Web Intelligence will leverage it.


 


take a look here:


scn.sap.com/community/bi-platform/busine...


regards


Ingo Hilgefort, SAP

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 26, 2012 - 6:25PM #34
Ingo Hilgefort
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Jun 26, 2012 -- 1:29PM, orthous wrote:

Jun 26, 2012 -- 1:21PM, BasiaBuczkiewicz wrote:

Thanks for your questions, all. We are looking to upgraded from 3.1 to 4.0 Q1-2013. We have just gone live with a the 1st of 4 key locations SAP implementation. We are NOT a BW shop except for the BPC module. SAP ECC 6 is the version we deployed. To close gaps in the ECC reporting, we are considering building reports on BPC and ECC for the finance team. However I am hearing the end result is not as easy as it is portrayed and we may want to warehouse the data into our TeraData environment first since the custom ECC solutions are not delivering what is needed. WebI is our leading strategy yet if I put the reports on ECC directly or on BPC directly, I would not be able to enable power users.


a) With 4.0 Can I deploy WebI on ECC? BPC/BW? (Pros/Cons?)


b) Or is Crystal a better option? Would you please provide your insights on pros/cons? 


c)  Are the perfomance issues for either/both a risk?


d) If we go the Universe route for Crystal, are there any limitations? 


BasiaBuczkiewicz;


a) With 4.0 Can I deploy WebI on ECC? BPC/BW? (Pros/Cons?)


Webi on ECC no. I would deploy BW and then Universe to feed Webi.  Pros: your BI environment is separate from your transactional systems and allows for greater flexibility.


b) Or is Crystal a better option? Would you please provide your insights on pros/cons?


Crystal Reports could be embedded into a custom solution, the issue is that BI4 SDK does not contain all components from previous versions, so you may run into limitations there.


c)  Are the perfomance issues for either/both a risk?


Yes, unfortunately.  The BW/Universe/Webi in BI4.0 would give you the best “overall” end-user experience…. IMHO ;-)


d) If we go the Universe route for Crystal, are there any limitations?


Limitations yes, but it depends on your user requirements… please refer to this podcast on differences between CR and Webi tools.


dslayer.net/dslayer/view/95-sap-crystal-...


Enjoy!



[Thank you for your question - Gabe]


HI,


 


a) With 4.0 Can I deploy WebI on ECC? BPC/BW? (Pros/Cons?)


With BI4 Feature Pack 03 or Service Pack 04 you are able to create a Universe on top of BW and also on top of ERP and it also allows you to combine those two sources.


b) Or is Crystal a better option? Would you please provide your insights on pros/cons? 


By using the Universe layer you have the option to use it with Web Intelligence, Crystal Reports for Enterprise, and Dashboards, and Explorer.



 


c)  Are the perfomance issues for either/both a risk?


You are reporting on top of your OLTP environment so you always want to keep an eye on the performance.



 


d) If we go the Universe route for Crystal, are there any limitations?


Right now the supported data sources in the Universes for SAP ERP are InfoSets, ABAP Functions, ABAP Queries.


 

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