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11 months ago  ::  Jul 05, 2012 - 4:47PM #1
Scott Wallask
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SAP HANA Q&A:
BI experts Dr. Bjarne Berg & Penny Silvia
on SAP HANA and HANA Studio


Editor's note: The transcript of this Q&A is now posted here.


What is really involved in a HANA implementation?


Join Dr. Bjarne Berg of Comerit and Penny Silvia of IBM as they tackle your HANA questions – from implementing SAP HANA to using HANA Studio - in a live Q&A chat here in the BI-BW Forum.


Post your question for Berg & Penny and get  advice and insights from their own HANA implemenetation experiences in this exclusive, one-hour online Q&A.


Dr. Berg and Penny Silvia will reviewing questions here and posting their responses July 25, from 12:30pm to 1:30pm ET.


You can also learn more about this joint HANA installation project by following Berg’s blog here, to be detailed in their book SAP HANA: An Introduction, due this fall from SAP PRESS.


If you haven't registered for today's Q&A, you can still register now for a download from Dr. Berg’s BI 2012 presentation Comprehensive Guidelines to Speed Data Analysis Using the Analytical Engines from SAP”.


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11 months ago  ::  Jul 25, 2012 - 12:27PM #2
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What is the neccesity of HANA enabled BW7.3 for BPC10.0NW? Why can't we directly fit BPC10.0NW  over HANA? Is there a future plan towards this direction?


 

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 25, 2012 - 12:30PM #3
Scott Wallask
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Hi everyone -


Dr. Bjarne Berg of Comerit and Penny Silvia of IBM will take questions and share details from their current HANA implementation project, including their work with SAP HANA Studio.


Berg is a BI expert and at ComeritLabs has collaborated with IBM on testing, development, and benchmarking SAP HANA for BW solutions.  He is joined today by his colleague at Comerit, Filip Lemmens.


Penny is part of IBM’s Global Leadership Team for SAP Data and Analytics. She is also a longtime technical advisor for BI content on our sister SAPexperts.com site.


Together, Penny and Berg are spearheading a book on SAP HANA, which will be out this fall from SAP PRESS. 


They’ll be taking your questions in today’s forum for the next hour, from 12:30-1:30 p.m. ET.


To post your question for Berg and Penny, first log in to Insider Learning Network. Then, in the forum, use the "Post Reply" button below to enter your questions. They will post their answers directly in the Forum thread. Please refresh your browser to see the latest posts.

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 25, 2012 - 12:31PM #4
Scott Wallask
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Penny and Berg, thanks for joining us. Before you start responding to member questions, could you give a quick update of where your HANA implementation project stands now and how your SAP PRESS book is coming along? 

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 25, 2012 - 12:31PM #5
Dr. Berg
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First, I want to state that the book we just finished will be available in September from SAP Press at www.sap-press.com/products/SAP-HANA%3A-A...


 


In writing this book we worked with IBM Labs in Research triangle Park to provide a high-end HANA system and Comerit Labs to develop step-by-step instructions on how to do over 80 tasks in SAP HANA. Technically, we used the high-end IBM x3950 x5 server.


 


Our System


Our x3950 box was a massive 4U rack-mounting server (4U = 7 inches high) that weights 70.5 lbs.  Inside the main memory was split into 2 memory banks (the HANA DB resides here). The disk was stored on a GPFS file system. This was a 3.3 Terabytes HDD. Actually, it was several HDD acting as one virtual disk and one hot-swap. Inside the box, there were two processors, of 10 core Intel Xeon E7 series 2.40 GHz processors each (20 total) and a 320 GB internal fusion card, used on a separate GPFS file system for the HANA logs.


 


There is also a bunch of connectors. For example, there are one dedicated Ethernet connection for IMM (IBM's Integrated Management Module that manages the server) and two QPI ports, used to connect to a second x3950. Using this connection type, the two physical servers can be scaled up to act as one big server (important for those who want multi-terabyte HANA systems). Our system also had two 10 GB connections on an Emulex card, four 1 GB Ethernet connections on a PCI card, and two 1 GB Ethernet connections on motherboard. The software in our HANA system was a bit simpler. The operating system was Linux SUSE (SLES 11 SP 1), and we had installed the two IBM GPFS file systems as well as the SAP HANA software (the server components such as HANA Studio, XML and SQL parsers, logs and many more sub-components), but remember it is all included inside the appliance.  


While this hardware example is specific to IBM's high-end x3950 x5 box, the components of other vendors are of a similar nature.  


So now we can get started with the questions..


 


Thanks,


Berg

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 25, 2012 - 12:33PM #6
Dr. Berg
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Jul 25, 2012 -- 12:27PM, mukundagattu wrote:

What is the neccesity of HANA enabled BW7.3 for BPC10.0NW? Why can't we directly fit BPC10.0NW  over HANA? Is there a future plan towards this direction?


 


Hi Mukandagattu,


That is a BPC question. I know that SAP is working on that, however, there are some work that needs to be done on writebacks. I have seen a demo and it worked fine, but I do not work with BPC so I cannot answer how SAP suppport this.


Thanks,


Berg

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 25, 2012 - 12:36PM #7
Scott Wallask
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We were talking about this before the chat: What is the future of the InfoCube? Do you still need to compress InfoCubes?

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 25, 2012 - 12:38PM #8
Dr. Berg
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Hi Scott,


Many have asked, if InfoCubes are needed with a HANA system. Currently, there is significant debate on blogs and forums on the Internet on this topic. However, for the interim period there are several reasons why InfoCubes are needed:


First, transactional InfoCubes are needed for Integrated Planning and write-back options. InfoCubes are also needed to store and manage non-cumulative key figures and the RSDRI write interface only works for InfoCubes. In addition, the transition from SAP BW to HANA is simplified by allowing customers to move to the new platform without having to rewrite application logic, queries, MultiProviders and data transformations from DSOs to InfoCubes.


However, the continued use of InfoCubes has to be questioned. The propose of introducing the star-schema, snowflakes and other Dimensional Data Modeling (DDM) techniques in the 1990s was to reduce costly table joins in relational databases, while avoiding the data redundancy of data stored in 1st normal form (1NF) in  Operational Data Stores (ODSs).


The removal of the relational database from HANA's in-memory processing makes most of the benefits of DDM mute, and continued use of these structures is questionable. In the future, we may see multi-layered DSOs with different data retention and granularity instead. But, for now InfoCubes will serve a transitional data storage role for most companies.


After the optimization of HANA InfoCubes, you can no longer partition the fact tables semantically. This is simply not needed. However, there are still four partitions behind the scenes. The first partition is used for non-compressed requests, while the second contains the compressed requests. There are also a partition with reference points of the inventory data and a partition for historical inventory data movements. The last two partitions are empty if there non-cumulative key figures are not used.


However, the first two partitions still require periodic compression to reduce the physical space used and increase the load times during merge processing (very much like traditional BW maintenance).  This has minor impact to small InfoCubes (less than 100 million records) and for InfoCubes that have not seen significantly data reloads nor have many requests. Since the compression is also executed as a stored procedure inside HANA the compression is very fast and should take no more than a few minutes even for very large InfoCubes.


 


Thanks,


Berg

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 25, 2012 - 12:39PM #9
M.S. Hein
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Hi, Dr. Berg and Penny. I have a question.


I know we've heard this from our readers earlier: What are the components of HANA, and what non-HANA components do you need for installation?


Thanks.

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 25, 2012 - 12:40PM #10
Dr. Berg
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And yes, you can continue using existing standard InfoCubes that do not have the SAP HANA-optimized property or you can convert them. The core of the new SAP HANA-optimized InfoCube is that when you assign characteristics and/or key figures to dimensions, the system does not create any dimension tables except for the package dimension. Instead, the master data identifiers (SIDs) are simply written in the fact table and the dimensional keys (DIM IDs) are no longer used, resulting in faster data read execution and data loads. In short, dimensions become logical units instead of physical data tables. (PS! the logical concept of 'dimensions' is still used  to simplify the query development in BEx Query Designer).


To convert existing InfoCubes, simply go to the program RSDRI_CONVERT_CUBE_TO_INMEMORY and select the InfoCubes you want to convert. The job is execute in the background as a store procedure and is extremely fast. Typically, you can expect 10-20 minutes even for very large InfoCubes with hundreds of millions of rows. During the conversion, users can even query the InfoCubes. However, data loads must be suspended.  Currently, traditional InfoCubes with a maximum of 233 key figures and 248 characteristics can be converted to HANA optimized InfoCubes. After the conversion to HANA optimized InfoCubes are maintained in the SAP HANA database's column-based store and are assigned a logical index (CalculationScenario).  However, if the InfoCube was stored only in BWA before the conversion, the InfoCubes are set to inactive during the conversion and you will need to re-activate it and reload the data if you want to use it.


While, HANA-optimized InfoCubes cannot be remodeled, you can still delete and add InfoObjects using the InfoCube maintenance option. This can be done, even if you have already loaded data into the InfoCube. 


Thanks,


Berg

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